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09-01-2004, 08:56 PM | #1 |
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Glorfindel's Prophecy
Was the witch king prophecy open to all women and non men or was it exclusive to Merry and Eowyn. Meaning was the prophecy No man can kill the witch-king or no man will kill the witch king. I thinkit is the second because prophecies are usually exclusive to one set oif circumstances. But thats just my opinion
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09-02-2004, 02:03 AM | #2 |
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We've got this already in the other thread so we'd just be repeatig ourselves.
Edit it to make it about the WK's prophercy.
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I made the title change. I don't think that Glorfindel was saying that it was impossible for a man to kill the Witch-King. I think he had a glimpse or flash of insight to the WK's doom - and was speaking about what he knew was going to happen. Or possibly, he was 'given' the words by Eru or the Valar... and didn't even understand himself how they would be fulfilled.
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09-02-2004, 09:28 AM | #4 |
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I have suspected that many of the more specific parts of prophey were simply added by lateer authors after the event, to embelish the tale.
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It IS interesting that the WK repeats the prophecy to Eowyn... either he had very good hearing, while in flight (and took Glorfindel's words to heart) - or his spies discovered the words (assuming they WERE actually spoken ), and reported them back to him. Unless... it was someone ELSE who made the prophecy (help me out here Olmer! )... someone on the DARK side!
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elves always seemed to have the power to glimpse into the music of the ainur... maybe a side-effect from their time in valinor... and glorfindel made two trips... in some ways, i've always wondered why he was sent back... maybe his 'prophecy' was part of the role eru meant him to play
would the witch-king have been so careless about watching his back if not for glorfindel's words?
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He knew, that he already has a huge advantage by ability to instill unreasoning fear in his opponent. He assumed that on the battle-field he is facing a Man (who else?), so he adressed accordingly. And his words is not about gender, or even race at all. He heard or mentioned NOTHING about the profecy. I think that the Ringwraith proud boasting had nothing to do with some elf's prophecy, who was just telling to Earnur of his foreseeing who will eventually bring the Witch King down and nothing else. Sorry, Valandil, this time nobody were 'scaffolding' behind the scenes. Just fate. |
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Anyway I can't claim much about my Westron guess *kil, but I do note an Eldarin stem KHIL- back in Etymologies, with a general meaning 'follow', from which derives 'hildi followers = mortal men' and the word Tarkil is noted (*tara-khil) in the same entry. This same root is repeated in the later texts published in PE17, where it is also noted under Dúnadan: 'All Men were also called hildi 'followers' (KHIL- follow).' This might enlighten the meaning of Westron *kil (that I guess could be a word in Westron anyway). In any case, generally speaking, words borrowed from another language need not carry the exact same meaning as the original tongue. |
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