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05-26-2005, 11:47 AM | #1 |
Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL
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Sorcerors of the line of Elros
Hello, mooters!
It seems I have got a good idea. Well, maybe not THAT good, but let us see! (at least Olmer and Gordis both thought it were good, or so I understood...) I think that ALL the HUMAN sorcerors and/or prophets that are ever mentioned by Tolkien BELONG to the LINE OF ELROS. Or are quite likely to belong to it. That line has elven blood and more important MAIA blood (from Melian). I propose we do like that: let's make the complete list of persons (MEN AND WOMAN -not 100% elves) that were ever suspected of paranormal abilities and then check them one by one. So here goes: Luthien - very powerful sorceress! Dior??? Elwing -sorceress Elrond - sorceror - yes. Prophet for sure! Elros -??? Tar - Aldarion's father (UT) prophet yes. Other Kings of Numenor??? Witch-King - Sorceror YES, prophet yes?(predicted Grima's fate in UT) Tar Palantir - prophet YES Elendil ?? Anarion ?? Isildur - Sorceror YES! (ask the poor people of the Mountains) Prophet - yes? Beruthiel - Was she of the Line of Elros? - SORCERESS! Malbeth the Seer (could be Arvedui's relative) sorceror ? Prophet - YES! Gilraen's mother (a descendant of Valandil) Prophet - yes Gilraen's father - as well Aragorn - prophet And, of course, "the hands of the King are the hands of a healer" Now help me, please: I must have forgotten a lot of guys! Any ideas? |
05-26-2005, 03:04 PM | #2 | |
Enting
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Beorn (“a skin-changer and no doubt a bit of a magician”—The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien no. 144) The Drúedain (“they had, or were credited with, strange or magical powers”—‘The Drúedain’, Unfinished Tales) Edit—this thread would have been perfect for the Middle Earth [sic] forum... Last edited by Maerbenn : 05-26-2005 at 03:31 PM. |
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05-26-2005, 05:17 PM | #3 | |
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Interesting thoughts CS!
Beruthiel may have been a descendent of Herumor or Fuinur and as they were Numenorean Lords they probably were of Elros's line. Actually she must have been of royal blood, unles how could the King Tarannon have married her? Quote:
The druedain were able to sit still for a very long time and sense danger (vaguely as animals do), but was this acually MAGIC? |
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05-27-2005, 12:23 AM | #4 |
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I noted in a SIL thread that most Human prophets seemd to be descended from the Half-elven or were closely associated with the Noldor in Beleriand, and had come under their doom/fate. And theorized that the incidence prophecy among mortals was link to how closely they were bound to the fate of the Elves who were inescapabley bound to the fate of the world.
Of course the more mudane explanation is the the of mortals we read stories of are mostly those of the royal and noble descendants of the Half-Elven, and thoses closely connected to the Eldar, and we just do not get to hear about the mudane prophecies put forth by vast majoirty of humans.
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05-27-2005, 02:30 PM | #6 | |
Lady of the Ulairi
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Thanks for the quotes, Maerbenn.
Actually I don't think Beorn is important to this thread. He is a character from The Hobbit and stands a little apart from other Tolkien characters with well defined origin and species characteristics. Quote:
Please, Mooters who have recently read Silmarillion, help! |
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05-27-2005, 04:33 PM | #7 |
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my, what an interesting read this thread is! my thoughts are that the dunedain have greater power than lesser men, and the lords of the dunedain even greater so
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