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The Blobbit
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Drugs tests for kids!!!
The UK is now considering random drug tests for schoolchildren. Woo! Waste of resourses, more bureaucrasy for over-worked teachers, infringement on civil liberties or a way of catching kids before addiction sets in?
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Oh, we've had argues about that here.
![]() ![]() The main issue here, was that people had to pee in front of a nurse. But I don't know what I think actually; they didn't catch anyone in our school, and no one knows if these kinds of actions prevent anything. But something has to be done, IMO. But what? That's a harder question.
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we have talks about that too but that idea is stupid. it will cost money, its infringing on privacy, all they will find out is that the kids they though do drugs do it. i mean every knows that a kid do will encounter drugs. send me to any school and i can point out people who are serious pot smokers. im also against it because i would just get caught again
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As a fellow Vancouverite (general area) I'm surprised they're thinking of that here. I am a bit out of touch with the school system now that I've graduated though.
I don't think it's a good idea. The solution to drug problems is complex, and involves not only teachers but parents as well. I don't know how it would work, but I do know that it's not simple, and that our society is ill-equipped to take on such a challenge in a proactive way.
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Completely against it. I think there should be a reasonable suspicion before testing.
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honest education... and by that i mean not the scare-tactic stuff you see these days in the us... is the best answer
tests of this sort just incite rebellion and feed mistrust
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I'm against it. It's impractical to sort out issues of consent and it's not going to tackle the root of the problem. The most common drug illegally used by schoolchildren is alcohol anyway, and they're not testing for that.
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Testing is a massive assault on civil liberties and must be resisted at all times.
Blair is a fascist lunatic and must be removed from office. |
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![]() ![]() How can it be a massive assault on civil liberties to catch the people who are breaking law? It is similar to breathalisers, I know no-one will endanger lives at school by using drugs, but the principle of maintaining law, and preventing kids ruining their lives and wasting their money remains. |
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Radagast!!!
And I was just friendly to you on the Suffragettes are evil thread!!! ![]() Hmm.. at least you're agreeing with well articulated viewpoints. I know I started tis whole thread n all, but does anyone know whose idea this testing thing was? I don't think was actually the Quote:
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Yeah but Bliar is just jumping on the bandwagon.
To me, other people have made the good arguments against drug testing. There's also the over-arching principle that it's up to YOU to justify why MY (or my children's) privacy should be invaded, not the other way round. ![]() |
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Personnally, I wouldn't mind if schools wanted to drug test my kids. If they had done that when I was in school, maybe I wouldn't have wasted so much time and money being stoned!
![]() If my son started using drugs, I'd be more than grateful to find out. I dunno....drugs suck. It would be easier to say "no" if you had a reason. (fear you might get tested) Many kids agree to smoke that first joint because of stupid peer pressure. A "real" reason to "just say no" would make life simpler for many youngsters. I think the world is too full of complicated choices for adolescents as it is. I wouldn't mind helping them out with a tool (drug testing) to make the right choice. Isn't that my job as a parent? Frankly....telling your kids how terrible pot is doesn't ring too true when they smoke it and nothing horrible happens. They might (probably will ![]() I have no problem with using fear of punishment as a crutch to keep kids drug free till they are older. (and then hopefully wiser) Fair or not...it's just common sense to me, at this point in time.
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If it's not affecting them in school - why have it? It should only be if there is REASONABLE cause. People are too willing today to just give up their freedoms. It's not the governments position to protect you from yourself. You should be responsible for YOUR own children. You can do drug testing on your kids - let the people who don't approve of the government control handle it in their own way.
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The quote applies today as it did during the colonial times. I am against mandatory testing with no probable cause. Education and marginalizing drug use are probably to best tactic to prevent drug use. By marginalizing I mean make drug use un-cool. If it is not seen as cool then kids would be less inclined to try drugs in the first place. I agree with brownjenkins that honest education about drugs should be used. Lizra, Hopefully you have an open enough relationship with your kids that you would be aware of any drug use by your kids. If not, you still can find out via a drug test. You may need to pay out of pocket, but at least you will know for sure. I do not wish to imply that this will be easy. If finding out about your kids "hypothetical" (I do not wish to imply that your kids are taking drugs ![]()
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![]() Still......if they have decided to implement drug testing I say they should start with the teachers.....even student teachers (hah! students who don't smoke dope? that'll be the day ![]() ![]() |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jerseydevil
No - you would have just have spent more time thinking and trying to figure out how to get around the testing and not getting caught. Those who do drugs - are going to do them. What are the consequences? Quote:
![]() If my school system wants to mandate drug testing....I'm for it. I pay taxes, and I say yea. I would welcome it. That's how I feel. ![]()
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I'll try to reply to the rest later.
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Do you have your chidren drug tested? They have home kits - why wait until the schools do it if you support it?
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My view? Total disgrace and imposition. Absolutely against. I agree with The Gaffer's mild and considered sentiments
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