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05-15-2002, 12:33 PM | #1 |
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Anduril's curse
Aragorn made some statement to hama at mesduheld(sp)
that i any man who is not an heir of elendil who ( touches or draws) can't recall which one Anduril would die. That's the paraphrase. how do you think this "curse" who be acted out? they would be suddenly struck dead or would have a coincedenta death. like falling forward upon the blade.
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Telchar, by the way, was a dwarf of the First Age. According to the encyclopedia of Arda: Quote:
Perhaps a spell was placed on it in Rivendell. More likely its a personal threat from Aragorn, something like: "You touch my sword and I'll kill you!"
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If the unworthey shall profane the sword of Kings with his touch, verily shall he suffer death.
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10-20-2011, 04:50 AM | #4 |
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I think it's a power placed within the sword at its forging, and will operate through its agency, just like the Ring- maybe by leading the unlawful wielder into making insane challenges or charging into hopeless situations through over-confidence in his weapon.
Also note that Galadriel's blessing on the sheath doesn't say anything about inflicting punishment on the unworthy who draw the sword. One complaint that I have is that, after Aragorn humping this most valuable but useless heirloom all over the countryside, we skip the actual reforging-it's mentioned briefly in passing- seems a bit of a diss.
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yes, I think it was only a warning to Hama that when Aragorn returned to retrieve his sword, Anduril could better still be where it was put in the first place.
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05-15-2002, 05:11 PM | #6 |
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Maybe it's not a curse, but a warning that since Elendil's heir has returned, he'd have to kill anyone that touched Elendil's sword. That's what it sounds like to me since he commands him not to touch it and not to let anyone else touch it. Perhaps it would be his duty to kill anyone that laid a hand on it.
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05-15-2002, 07:09 PM | #7 |
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i dont think any curses were placed upon Narsil.
aragorn was jes makin it clear if anyone touched it, he'd crack some skulls.
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05-16-2002, 10:40 AM | #8 |
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I agree with the above - I think it was a threat more than anything else.
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05-16-2002, 05:44 PM | #9 |
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Oh! That Anduril!
I dunno... it *did* manage to take on Sauron; doesn't that kinda denote it from other more "normal" swords?
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Anduril
I man, really, Anduil IS Really valuble. Also,Aragorn has to be cautios(sp) about people hoo take 2 much intrest in this stuff
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05-16-2002, 07:49 PM | #11 |
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its possible spells were places upon it at its forging..like the dragonhelm..when it was on someone's head, the wearer was not slain in battle..they were both created by the same dwarf..if you can find a description of narsil it says it shown witht he radience of both the son and the moon..obviously it wasnt just any "normal" sword
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05-16-2002, 07:56 PM | #12 |
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I would agree, I think it's just a warning from Aragorn, that he will kill anyone who touches it without his permission (which he most likely wouldn't give!)
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04-30-2003, 10:48 AM | #13 |
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Aragorn was a bit protective of his heirloom, and would probably kill anyone who drew it from its sheath other than himself.
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04-30-2003, 11:15 AM | #15 |
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The sword could not have a curse on it because Othar would have fallen under the curse when he carried the shards to Rivendell, and the Elven smiths who reforged the sword would have also fallen under the curse. I believe it was just a warning from Aragorn.
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04-30-2003, 01:24 PM | #16 |
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It's not just an heirloom, it's part of his destiny, and Middle Earth's destiny. It was part of Boromir's and Faramir's dream, and it was somehow wrapped up in the downfall of Sauron.
No I don't think it's cursed, and I don't think it's meerly Aragorn saying "if you touch my stuff I kill you." I think he's warning of the dire consequences to Middle Earth if it were to fall into the wrong hands.
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05-06-2003, 06:17 PM | #17 |
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I don't think there really is a curse. Since Anduril was part of Aragorn's destiny, someone before him must have made the "curse" up to keep people from stealing it.
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I don't think Andúril was cursed in the same way (evil), but it might be the same type of thing.
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05-25-2003, 04:03 PM | #19 |
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No, I think it's different from the case of Gurthang. The entire passage reads as if "death will come" because Aragorn is obligated to deliver it; it seems to be a breach of honor, and not disregard for a curse.
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I tend to believe that the curse on Anduril was merely a warning to Hama to ensure that no one would touch the sword. But if I follow this line of reasoning then wouldn't that mean that he, Aragorn, would have to follow through with his words and bring death upon the person who touched the sword? Or, another thought I have is that Aragorn took that as an opportunity to name drop and "declare" his royal lineage with the intent of impressing upon Hama that his sword was not to be touched because of what it represented.
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