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Fëanáro's Fire Mistress
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The Half Elven
I have always wondered about the fate of Dior, Luthien and Beren's son. If he wasn't killed, would he have been given the choice that was granted to Earandil and his descendants...i.e. to chose to be joined with the firstborn or the followers?
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Dior had the blood of three races in his veins: Edain, Eldar and Maiar. He was born and raised in Ossiriand around F.A. 470. He married Nimloth of the Sindar, and they had three children: Elred, Elurin and Elwing. Dior became King of Doriath upon the murder of Thingol. When Beren and Luthien died he inherited the Nauglamir which contained the Silmaril that was taken from Morgoth. Shortly thereafter the sons of Feanor attacked Menegroth and murdered Dior, his wife and two of his children, Elwing being the only survivor of his family.
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Re: The Half Elven
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Don't forget the gift that Finrod gave to Barahir. That eventually passed to Elwing and onward.
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Aragorn could have been an elf if Elros had choosen do be an elf.
That would have changed the story alot! The though of it thats all. |
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Elros' line wouldn't have had nearly as many generations as they did with him choosing to be mortal. Aragorn would've never been born.
Additionally, Elros wouldn't have been granted Numenor, Aman wouldn't have been removed from the physical world, etc. etc. etc.
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Dior, and his sons, Elured and Elurin were mortal. Elwing, Earendil and Elros were granted special permission to choose, as were Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen.
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Even if Dior was completely mortal due to the fact that he was born after Luthien returned to Middle-Earth as a mortal, all three of his children would be Half-Elven anyway becuase Nimloth his wife was a Sindar Elf.
Anyway, I think Dior was half-elven myself and chose indirectly to be an Elf by accepting the Throne of Doriath. |
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But what about these quotes then?
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Ok, from what I can gather from the HoMe, Dior was Halfelven in blood, but the choice of the Peredhil was not extended until the end of the First Age beginning with Earendil and Elwing, Elrond and Elros.
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This is the chapter I'm currently reading, and yes, I was confused. I wasn't sure what Dior was, and if it's true he was a mortal, then I find it fascinating that a mortal ended up ruling the kingdom of Thingol and Melian, elf and Maia. Very interesting. And from that, I then was confused as to Elrond's parentage -- which was the "elf half" and which was the "man half?" Or was it that each parent was half? I guess I'll just keep reading and find out what happens!
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Each parent was half-elven, even if you view Dior as a man (which I do not), since Elwing's mother Nimloth was an elf.
And then, Tuor + Idril = Earendil ![]() If Dior had still been alive, who can say what Manwe would have decided for him. As far as I know, there is no indications? |
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