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08-12-2004, 04:32 PM | #1 |
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NJ Gov. McGreevey Resigns
omg! he's resigning!
can you believe it?! and right after that highlands bill went through!
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and he's gay! even though he's been married-to a woman- 2 times and has kids including an infant!
who'd have thunk it!
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oh, you beat me to it. I posted something about this in the gay, lesbian, bisexual topic.
Yeah, wow. He just admitted to being a gay american and having an affair with another man.
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makes you wonder.... if gays had been allowed to marry.... would you see stuff like this?
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actually, if i understand correctly, he's up on sexual abuse charges, right?
i'm sorta listening to the news coverage and posting at the same time so my info is a little strung out lol
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I think it's sad because I often think the "gay" people who are in relationships, even marriage, with the opposite sex do so as a result of the intense ostracizing the gay community gets. Of course I find extramarital affairs wrong and find it must be really hard on the wife, but on the other hand, homosexuals wouldn't be so incognito and using "marriage" as a beard if we had healthy attitudes towards the gay community.
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He has been a terrible governor since he started and NJ should be happy to be rid of him. It just sucks that his mug is on all our tourism commercials - which are completely useless now - because it's him pretending to be a happy family man.
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I am sort of upset right now by the game he's playing though too. He announced his resignation, but he is not going to resign until AFTER the november elections. If he resigned before the elections - then we would be having a gubernatorial election come November and we would be able to vote for who our new governor would be. Becuase he is waiting though - the president of the Senate, who is a democrat, will be governor until November 2005 elections. Why not just resign and let the VOTERS vote for our next governor.
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Though it's rather hypocritical of him to resign only after the elections. That's the sort of politics that makes me weary of any politician.
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No indeed, I haven't seem them. I was commenting more on the idea of having politicians in commercials to inspire people to pay your state a visit. It's probably just because I'm not too fond of politicians and was thinking how it would be when they would do it here too. It just seem odd to me, that's probably a better word for how it seems to me.
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What it boils down to is that McGreevey wants to guarantee that a democrat finishes out his term. There was an election now - with how little Mcgreevey is liked - there is no guarantee that a democrat would be elected. It is very possible that Bret Schundler could be elected.
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Nightline is having on about it right now. It's rather interesting - but at this time so much is rumor. It seems as if a lot of what Hobbit was saying is the rumor - the person he had an affair with is blackmailing him.
McGreevey tried making him the terrorism czar for New Jersey, but the guy couldn't get security clearance. He is an Israeli national. McGreevey then made him an aid with a $110,000/yr salary for doing nothing.
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<admin>Ragnarok seems to be within the bounds of reasonable discussion for this thread. McGreevey's sexuality was clearly not the driving force behind his resignation, but it's still a facet of this episode. "Gay" or "homosexual" was in all of the headlines the next day.</admin>
<regular user>Like JD, I am not sorry to see McGreevey go. When politicians of my own party have ethical lapses, I am particularly saddened because these scandals could set back our goals and progress in New Jersey. McGreevey was certainly sleazy, but sadly we haven't had a good governor in a while. He had some policy accomplishments in office, and I can't say that the Christie Whitman (Republican) or DiFrancesco (Republican) administrations were any better. Bret Schundler would have been a disaster for the state because his politics are too extreme for NJ. Sometimes I suspect that Sens. Lautenberg and Corzine are the only honest politicians left in the state, and probably only because they're multi-gazillionaires who can't be bought. Let's not kid ourselves: everyone's position on the special election is based on politics. Republicans want it because they think that any potential public backlash against Democrats would be most potent this November, as opposed to next November. This has national repercussions as well - if Republicans are motivated to come to the polls in higher numbers this November, the state could be in play in the presidential race, their thinking goes. I think most people are smart enough to separate McGreevey (an early Dean backer) from Kerry, though. Rep. Menendez (Democrat) and some Democratic party bosses want the special election so that Richard Codey, who will become Acting Governor, can't keep the job. This is because the Democratic Party is divided into different factions, and some bosses want to keep Codey out of power even if it means Democrats are out of power. Menendez hopes to pick up Sen. Corzine's Senate seat if he became Governor. Corzine may want it if he thinks this is his easiest shot at the job. In general, I don't feel that a special election should be held in these circumstances. If the U.S. president leaves office, the Vice President automatically assumes control for the full remainder of the term. I believe that in most other states, this is the case with their Lt. Governor. New Jersey should adopt an elected Lt. Governor position to solve this problem. This is a silly quirk in our state Constitution. I suspect that there will only be a special election if Corzine agrees to run. In that case, he'd be the heavy favorite to win, unless the Republicans can unearth Tom Kean Sr. Quote:
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I have to agree with Ragnarok's main charge, which is that it's nearly impossible to be openly gay and in high political office. McGreevey did some very bad, unethical things. No doubt about that. However, he's had some powerful demons bottled up in him for some time. The man was forced into the closet by society. He's a Catholic, and the church preaches that homosexuality is immoral. New Jersey may be a tolerant state, but no state has ever had an openly gay governor or senator (until now). I don't believe he would have even been a gubernatorial nominee had he been openly gay. McGreevey's true identity, unfortunately, stood as a direct obstacle to his personal and career goals. What would you have had him do? I'm not saying I approve of his decisions, but he didn't have a lot of good options. Is this a separate, unrelated issue? Maybe, but I suspect a lot of powerbrokers had quite a bit on dirt on McGreevey, which is one reason he was so beholden to them.
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